jennifer, thanks for joining us. tell us what you looked at and what you found. >> well, what we did is we surveyed recruiters from the biggest companies, public, private, non-profit, government organizations and asked them which schools they recruit at and which schools produce the best graduates overall as far as being prepared to work in the companies, succeed, academic prowess, et cetera. so what happened was, the list that we came up with, the top 25 out of the almost 500 companies who responded was primarily made up of state schools. so what we found was that they really liked these graduates who had all this academic preparedness and were well rounded in other ways. >> that leads me to this then. i want to pop this up, all of them except one, which is carnegie melon are publicly funded. tuition at carnegie this year is $42,000, but $15,000 at penn state. >> there's a couple things going on. people can really understand their business, so you could be brilliant and come in with a great marketing idea, but if yo